Thank you for the excellent reporting on this, including the interview with Imran Khan's sister, Aleema.
Please stay on this story and keep an eye out for any role that our government here is playing in supporting the brutal regime. The big media companies here will never report on this because, like the Biden administration, they want to provide no oxygen (real or in media coverage) to Imran Khan.
Thanks for your excellent reporting. I still don’t understand with so much evidence of witnesses and proofs, the rest of the world is still not speaking up especially on Human Rights Day.
I pre-ordered Alareer's book. Please, give those of us outside the USA, a good way for our purchases to make a difference on the best-seller list. I bought it where I could, as Amazon is not an option. I don't know if that source will be helpful. Do you have some independent bookseller sources, in EU, for example, that will assist in your efforts?
With due respect, it doesn't add up. PTI claims that hundreds are dead; if that is true, one could imagine how many snipers must be deployed to target hundreds in a short time.
You mentioned the use of heavy machine guns. Generally, a 12.7mm or bigger calibre is considered a heavy machine gun; again, it is too much for a crowd unless the purpose is to shatter humans into pieces.
In the firing video circulating on the internet, if it is not faked, a sustained fire of a Light Machine Gun, probably MG3, could be heard. Again, snipers from rooftops would not use that. One could argue that the LMG was placed on the ground, but there is no evidence for that so far.
I don’t know what sources you are quoting when you say PTI stated hundreds are dead?In this report PTI is reported as saying - ‘According to the PTI, at least 14 people have been killed and around 200 injured. However, the real number is hard to ascertain as hundreds of protestors remain missing with their families uncertain if they are dead or alive.’ And you seem so sure that machine guns were not used, do you know the Pakistani military, ISI and assorted paramilitary forces so well, if so how?
I tried to reconstruct the events unfolding on the 26th of November in the light of available information.
Switching between heavy assault rifles and heavy machine guns is confusing and, in my opinion, minimises the description of brutality. Every soldier in Pakistan carries a heavy assault rifle, so there is nothing extraordinary about that. I guess the writer refers to G3 Assault rifle here, Aljazeera noted the use of AK-47, also classed as assault rifle.
It appears that they deployed MG3 (AKA Light Machine Gun LMG in Pakistan) near the shipping containers. It fires at 1200 bullets per minute, and the bullet would hit anyone standing in the 200-meter kill zone. Jinnah Avenue is 80 feet wide on one side, giving about 170 feet (about 52 meters) wide front for the shooter (80+80+10 for the green belt). It gives a kill zone of 10,400 square meters.
A packed crowd is estimated to have about two people per square meter. However, the crowd density varies from section to section, as suggested by Jacobs' method.
Since it was night, there were no lights and heavy tear gas, and the protestors could not see the escape route, the number is likely to be rather low, i.e. about 1000 protesters in the kill zone.
Potentially, 50 people would be hit by bullets immediately across 52 meters front. Since the firing continued for about a minute, I.e. about 1200 bullets, another 150 people would be hit by bullets.
It is said that in a war zone, the ratio between dead and wounded is between 1 killed for every 2 to 4 wounded. This gives a death toll between 50 to 70 in the kill zone. The comrades of the wounded on the far side would have taken them to the hospital, but the fate of the injured picked up by the security forces is unconfirmed. After all this brutality, it is unlikely that they would be provided immediate medical support, which could increase the death toll.
The bullets taken out of the dead bodies and wounded would confirm the weapon used.
During the critical phase of MG3 firing, the other law enforcement personnel would have been withdrawn back from the kill zone for their safety, so firing by any other weapon is unlikely.
You gathered your info from “available information”. But that’s part of the problem, the availability of accurate info because the govt has cracked down on reporting 26-27 Nov. PTI Protest against Imran Khans 500 days in jail. When the Authorities shut off the street lighting it also jammed telecommunications affecting demonstrators ability to communicate with each other. But apparently there is a mass of phone video evidence of bullet wounds from live ammunition, again the authorities tried to prevent medical records being investigated by whoever so they simply stole them from the hospitals. Amnesty International calls for an open investigation (fat chance) https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/11/urgent-and-transparent-investigation-needed-into-deadly-crackdown-on-opposition-protesters/ Only then will everything come to light, however hundreds if not thousands were arrested that night and the following day, as you say we don’t know how many of those died from live ammunition wounds. The only person who has mentioned a particular type of weapon is you, I wouldn't presume. Have you listened to the interview with Mehdi Hassan and Imran Khan’s sister? Of course she’s partisan, but her report is part of the evidence that needs to be heard https://zeteo.com/p/tyranny-is-not-sustainable-imran?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=2325511&post_id=153369466&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=e9tlj&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Don’t know what to say, read with horror. Appreciate coming to know of what’s going on in Pakistan. Corporate media in the main doesn’t give a damn. Very worrying about surveillance of social media.
Thank you for the excellent reporting on this, including the interview with Imran Khan's sister, Aleema.
Please stay on this story and keep an eye out for any role that our government here is playing in supporting the brutal regime. The big media companies here will never report on this because, like the Biden administration, they want to provide no oxygen (real or in media coverage) to Imran Khan.
Thank you!
I wonder how much USA DNA can be found at this crime scene?
Thanks for your excellent reporting. I still don’t understand with so much evidence of witnesses and proofs, the rest of the world is still not speaking up especially on Human Rights Day.
yeah this got zero coverage for a normie like myself
I just purchased the book through Bookshop.org for $29 with shipping. (It is on back order now though)
If I go to Amazon it’s only available at $38 before shipping from “Books Paradise Global” for 2nd half of January delivery…
Great reporting on the situation in Pakistan.
I pre-ordered Alareer's book. Please, give those of us outside the USA, a good way for our purchases to make a difference on the best-seller list. I bought it where I could, as Amazon is not an option. I don't know if that source will be helpful. Do you have some independent bookseller sources, in EU, for example, that will assist in your efforts?
With due respect, it doesn't add up. PTI claims that hundreds are dead; if that is true, one could imagine how many snipers must be deployed to target hundreds in a short time.
You mentioned the use of heavy machine guns. Generally, a 12.7mm or bigger calibre is considered a heavy machine gun; again, it is too much for a crowd unless the purpose is to shatter humans into pieces.
In the firing video circulating on the internet, if it is not faked, a sustained fire of a Light Machine Gun, probably MG3, could be heard. Again, snipers from rooftops would not use that. One could argue that the LMG was placed on the ground, but there is no evidence for that so far.
Such a confusing state of being!
I don’t know what sources you are quoting when you say PTI stated hundreds are dead?In this report PTI is reported as saying - ‘According to the PTI, at least 14 people have been killed and around 200 injured. However, the real number is hard to ascertain as hundreds of protestors remain missing with their families uncertain if they are dead or alive.’ And you seem so sure that machine guns were not used, do you know the Pakistani military, ISI and assorted paramilitary forces so well, if so how?
I tried to reconstruct the events unfolding on the 26th of November in the light of available information.
Switching between heavy assault rifles and heavy machine guns is confusing and, in my opinion, minimises the description of brutality. Every soldier in Pakistan carries a heavy assault rifle, so there is nothing extraordinary about that. I guess the writer refers to G3 Assault rifle here, Aljazeera noted the use of AK-47, also classed as assault rifle.
It appears that they deployed MG3 (AKA Light Machine Gun LMG in Pakistan) near the shipping containers. It fires at 1200 bullets per minute, and the bullet would hit anyone standing in the 200-meter kill zone. Jinnah Avenue is 80 feet wide on one side, giving about 170 feet (about 52 meters) wide front for the shooter (80+80+10 for the green belt). It gives a kill zone of 10,400 square meters.
A packed crowd is estimated to have about two people per square meter. However, the crowd density varies from section to section, as suggested by Jacobs' method.
Since it was night, there were no lights and heavy tear gas, and the protestors could not see the escape route, the number is likely to be rather low, i.e. about 1000 protesters in the kill zone.
Potentially, 50 people would be hit by bullets immediately across 52 meters front. Since the firing continued for about a minute, I.e. about 1200 bullets, another 150 people would be hit by bullets.
It is said that in a war zone, the ratio between dead and wounded is between 1 killed for every 2 to 4 wounded. This gives a death toll between 50 to 70 in the kill zone. The comrades of the wounded on the far side would have taken them to the hospital, but the fate of the injured picked up by the security forces is unconfirmed. After all this brutality, it is unlikely that they would be provided immediate medical support, which could increase the death toll.
The bullets taken out of the dead bodies and wounded would confirm the weapon used.
Here are the videos for MG3;
Firing Demonstration of MG42 (the predecessor of MG3) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eFA9ay8L1iU
Sound of MG3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENipa4fYOSc
During the critical phase of MG3 firing, the other law enforcement personnel would have been withdrawn back from the kill zone for their safety, so firing by any other weapon is unlikely.
You gathered your info from “available information”. But that’s part of the problem, the availability of accurate info because the govt has cracked down on reporting 26-27 Nov. PTI Protest against Imran Khans 500 days in jail. When the Authorities shut off the street lighting it also jammed telecommunications affecting demonstrators ability to communicate with each other. But apparently there is a mass of phone video evidence of bullet wounds from live ammunition, again the authorities tried to prevent medical records being investigated by whoever so they simply stole them from the hospitals. Amnesty International calls for an open investigation (fat chance) https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/11/urgent-and-transparent-investigation-needed-into-deadly-crackdown-on-opposition-protesters/ Only then will everything come to light, however hundreds if not thousands were arrested that night and the following day, as you say we don’t know how many of those died from live ammunition wounds. The only person who has mentioned a particular type of weapon is you, I wouldn't presume. Have you listened to the interview with Mehdi Hassan and Imran Khan’s sister? Of course she’s partisan, but her report is part of the evidence that needs to be heard https://zeteo.com/p/tyranny-is-not-sustainable-imran?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=2325511&post_id=153369466&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_content=watch_now_button&r=e9tlj&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Don’t know what to say, read with horror. Appreciate coming to know of what’s going on in Pakistan. Corporate media in the main doesn’t give a damn. Very worrying about surveillance of social media.