Biden endorsed Kamala. I doubt there will be an open convention. Less chaos will be better. I'm sure Jeffries, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, and all the other party leaders will move quickly to endorse her and whip the dems to consolidate around Kamala Harris.
Had there been a democratic process to begin with, we likely would not be in this situation. The DNC made sure that Biden was the nominee and blocked all other contenders, with no consideration for standing on a debate stage offering the public a better understanding of them and weighing who best to support. The republicans "sort of had a democratic process" by having candidates debate, but Trump chose not to stand on the stage with the other contenders. Had he been required to debated by the RNC, he may have faltered and not allowed to rise to "sainthood" by his ardent followers.
Yeah, but we don't live in a democracy. At best it's a pseudo democracy. I hate the democratic party with a passion, but I'm pretty fucking scared of the fascists. I don't think there's any real way for normal people to influence our government at this point through the electoral process.
I agree. However, my perception (which may be misguided) is that the democratic party is marginally less fascist. I simply want our society to eek our way out of this mess and a Trump return doesn't seem to me to be our way out.
If you believe that the GOP would never represent your interests (which is not unreasonable, for sure) why would you ever support the people who are dedicated to making sure the Democrats never represent your interests either?
This is the time to drive a stake through the heart of the corrupt leadership of the Democrats.
Agree pretty much, but I think it is telling about how Republicans gauged Trump's popularity by even running against him at all. Turns out they guessed wrong, so that's why they all reversed themselves and fell in line. Self-debasement is much better than the noose!
& that's been the problem at least since 2016 when we all saw the emails showing internal corruption. At least vet Harris to show us she can have a chance against Trump.
Why bother? While Kamala hasn't had enough to time to do as much damage to the middle class as Biden has over his 50+ years of pillaging, the is little doubt she'd like to give it a shot.
The Democrats lost my vote when they rigged the elections. The only way I'll get a party that doesn't suck is for one of them to die. It may as well be the Democrats.
I have more hope in theocrat fascist Vance will improve things than Kamala. Which means I have no hope at all.
"Voting for Democrats is as much voting for fascism as voting for the GOP."
About as true as apples being oranges, up being down, and black being white. You don't have to like either party; but don't pretend they're two sides of the same coin.
I watched as Roe v. Wade broke apart. I watched the highest court in the land conclude the President was above the law. I also seem to remember one party trying their darndest to sell the "Big Lie."
History is not on the side of liberals choosing the left over the fascists, and our political "leadership" has consistently shown they have nothing but disdain for history.
Looking forward to the full court Mayo Pete campaign.
It's the donors that are forcing this; the Democratic Party loathes their base as much as the GOP fears theirs. And so the person the pick will no doubt be as performatively but meaninglessly woke as Pelosi kneeling in kente cloth while fighting to keep black people's medical bills as high as possible.
Absolutely, I'd like to donate immediately, but don't want to donate to the corporate controlled DNC because they are responsible for getting us in this mess.
Donors, of course, drive everything in post-Citizens United politics. But I also believe a fair amount of polling did Biden in, as well as some gaffes like forgetting the name of his SecDef, so he called him "the black guy".
I'm glad that Biden decided to step down. I think he was mostly a good President, with the glaring exception of how he handled the Gaza situation. I found his apparent indifference to the massive atrocities being committed by the Israeli government against Palestinian civilians utterly appalling. I hope whomever the Democratic party nominates to run in his place has a much stronger commitment to human rights and international law than Biden does! In this respect, Biden was a horrible failure.
An open convention would at least give democrats a broader scope of people/things to blame if they lose. Not taking responsibility for anything that goes wrong is what they are best at.
I think the Democrats are between a rock and a hard place. It sounds crazy to say, but Biden has been the best president of my lifetime (a millennial). Obviously, his achievements have been overshadowed by his unwavering support for Israel's bombing camping, but his domestic policies, his appointments atop the Dept of Ed and, perhaps most importantly, the FTC, and his withdrawal from Afghanistan are all top tier moves even with their flaws. Honestly, it's a low bar to top, but credit where credit is due.
Despite all that, though, I don't think he would've beat Trump, and he should've said he'd be a one-term president. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
That said, I think Kamala is very likely a worse candidate than Biden, as is probably any of the umber of other corporate Democrats that have a realistic chance of getting the nomination. It's going to be *fun* to watch the Dems nominate someone else in fear of Biden losing to Trump, only to probably still lose anyway.
I feel for you; we have a long way to go to get to real justice and real freedom for everyone. But corporate and billionaire influence (not just money) sit athwart the whole process of government. The difference between the two parties is that the Dems want to change things, but without offending the donor class; the GOP wants total, no-holds-barred oligarchy. Only our voting stands in the way.
Just remember when Biden took office, you could raise a family and buy a home on one middle class income. It's super nice that Biden managed to mitigate some of the damage he's been doing for the last 50 years, though.
I so wish that for once, the Democratic Party would actually hold a truly open convention. Let the will of the people speak and not the DNC, Obama, Clintons, the rich and powerful donors, who have called the shots to the detriment of it's base. The winner of an open convention will generate excitement and hope, which is what we need in order to beat Trump. Kamala Harris is unpopular, even in California. She will not beat Trump.
Genocider in chief dropping out still leaves a poisonous cesspool of genociders in the Democratic Party and the drive toward nuclear Armageddon intact. Pure fantasy to think a decent candidate can emerge to alter our duopoly destination with omnicide.
Great summary of our 'election process' but it omits any mention of the prime movers and shakers who have more to say than the entire population!!! Lobbies! Foreign lobbies AIPAC, will more influence who is finally the pick than anything "the people" may do. Isn't it strange, that the Brits are suffering from the very same problem of a 'foreign MINORITY' exerting a major influence over their government? Oh, I'm sure that's just more of the universal "antisemitism" at work. Yeah.
Def makes sense given our hardwired dysfunctional ability to meet real issues head on.
I am sadly confident a next Democratic administration will do a worse job of handling this spiraling general crisis - but not as bad as the alternative - that is clearly not going away, absent a democratic Democratic Party.
3 things I would hope for, to at least delay neofascist supremacy:
1. Candidate that pulls Black turnout; crucial in a tight race. 2. an asymmetrical approach to offset Republican white working class capture. Not clear who best VP pic would be to fit that bill. But pandering to bigotry won’t work. Strength does. 3. Biden should at least shut Gaza down to extent he gets rid of Bibi, frees shipping lanes, and can pitch he avoided regional war.
Harris/whoever could use that.
Differentiating foreign from domestic policy in this moment is as antiquated as mind-body dualism. The two are one if you want to avoid “executive aggrandizement” via peaceful egalitarian democracy.
I will continue to have nightmares of a Trumpian landslide circa 1984
The dems are so terrible at reading the country - or maybe they just don't care, as long as the money is flowing their way - they will anoint Harris just to lose even bigger than they would with Biden.
If only. Biden endorsed Harris, and lousy a politician as she is, she ticks a lot of boxes: the DEIJ stuff, of course, but she’s also been historically a faux progressive who will play nice with corporate donors. On the other hand, she is associated with the administration’s immigration policy…not a great look, whatever you think of its merits or demerits. I’d expect Republicans to note that and use it.
It sound like Biden has thrown his support to VP Harris. Does this mean the delegates pledged to him are now obligated to vote for her? Or, will they be free to vote their brokered choice in an open convention?
No, the delegates can choose freely. But with Biden's endorsement you're now seeing a flood of support for her, including from Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal.
I agree that an open convention will be best. A closed one is bound to look bad. But the delegates have got to avoid rancor. Leave the division over Palestine aside. Concentrate on which aspirant will be most effective against the orange menace and support the kind of domestic agenda Biden was enacting.
Biden endorsed Kamala. I doubt there will be an open convention. Less chaos will be better. I'm sure Jeffries, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, and all the other party leaders will move quickly to endorse her and whip the dems to consolidate around Kamala Harris.
Had there been a democratic process to begin with, we likely would not be in this situation. The DNC made sure that Biden was the nominee and blocked all other contenders, with no consideration for standing on a debate stage offering the public a better understanding of them and weighing who best to support. The republicans "sort of had a democratic process" by having candidates debate, but Trump chose not to stand on the stage with the other contenders. Had he been required to debated by the RNC, he may have faltered and not allowed to rise to "sainthood" by his ardent followers.
Yeah, but we don't live in a democracy. At best it's a pseudo democracy. I hate the democratic party with a passion, but I'm pretty fucking scared of the fascists. I don't think there's any real way for normal people to influence our government at this point through the electoral process.
Hard to say that the Democrats are any less fascist. They are, after all, trying to ban "malinformation" - aka "the truth, but makes us look bad".
After all, it's unamerican is acknowledge American war crimes. Or Hunter's laptop, or where COVID was developed, or that Biden is senile.
I agree. However, my perception (which may be misguided) is that the democratic party is marginally less fascist. I simply want our society to eek our way out of this mess and a Trump return doesn't seem to me to be our way out.
Less proud of it, I would say.
I would ask this:
If you believe that the GOP would never represent your interests (which is not unreasonable, for sure) why would you ever support the people who are dedicated to making sure the Democrats never represent your interests either?
This is the time to drive a stake through the heart of the corrupt leadership of the Democrats.
No, actually. The time to do that is the moment elections are over to prepare, fund and support viable primary challengers. That is what is logical.
Pretty much a call for revolution. Two money-corrupted parties will NEVER, IN ANY WAY, represent "the people".
Agree pretty much, but I think it is telling about how Republicans gauged Trump's popularity by even running against him at all. Turns out they guessed wrong, so that's why they all reversed themselves and fell in line. Self-debasement is much better than the noose!
& that's been the problem at least since 2016 when we all saw the emails showing internal corruption. At least vet Harris to show us she can have a chance against Trump.
I don't think anyone expects anything other than a corrupt cabal of Dem elites deciding who we get to vote for.
Why bother? While Kamala hasn't had enough to time to do as much damage to the middle class as Biden has over his 50+ years of pillaging, the is little doubt she'd like to give it a shot.
The Democrats lost my vote when they rigged the elections. The only way I'll get a party that doesn't suck is for one of them to die. It may as well be the Democrats.
I have more hope in theocrat fascist Vance will improve things than Kamala. Which means I have no hope at all.
I do have hope and would NEVER vote for fascism regardless of my also having disdain for the Democratic Party and DNC.
Voting for Democrats is as much voting for fascism as voting for the GOP.
The only people that went to prison over war crimes under Obama were the people who blew the whistle on them.
The Democrats worked with Big Tech to sensor their political rivals.
Malinformation is the truth, but makes them look bad.
There are no good guys here. Both parties need to be destroyed ASAP.
"Voting for Democrats is as much voting for fascism as voting for the GOP."
About as true as apples being oranges, up being down, and black being white. You don't have to like either party; but don't pretend they're two sides of the same coin.
I watched as Roe v. Wade broke apart. I watched the highest court in the land conclude the President was above the law. I also seem to remember one party trying their darndest to sell the "Big Lie."
I watched the Democrats refuse to codify Roe for decades so they could use it as a fund raising cudgel.
I watched the Democrats pursue journalists for telling the truth about American war crimes.
I have watched them use the government to censor their opponents and punish them for speaking the truth.
I watched them work with the Republicans to destroy the last vestiges of the New Deal, create Too Big To Fail banks.
I watched the Democrats continue GWB's band bail out plans without alterations.
History is not on the side of liberals choosing the left over the fascists, and our political "leadership" has consistently shown they have nothing but disdain for history.
There is no chance they would pick a good candidate. The democratic party hates the left way more than they hate the fascists.
Looking forward to the full court Mayo Pete campaign.
It's the donors that are forcing this; the Democratic Party loathes their base as much as the GOP fears theirs. And so the person the pick will no doubt be as performatively but meaninglessly woke as Pelosi kneeling in kente cloth while fighting to keep black people's medical bills as high as possible.
Absolutely, I'd like to donate immediately, but don't want to donate to the corporate controlled DNC because they are responsible for getting us in this mess.
Donors, of course, drive everything in post-Citizens United politics. But I also believe a fair amount of polling did Biden in, as well as some gaffes like forgetting the name of his SecDef, so he called him "the black guy".
They did before, too.
This all started before Reagan and has been moving at a steady pace, devolving with each President.
I'm glad that Biden decided to step down. I think he was mostly a good President, with the glaring exception of how he handled the Gaza situation. I found his apparent indifference to the massive atrocities being committed by the Israeli government against Palestinian civilians utterly appalling. I hope whomever the Democratic party nominates to run in his place has a much stronger commitment to human rights and international law than Biden does! In this respect, Biden was a horrible failure.
You'd better do more than simply "hope", because Harris is most definitely wedded to Israel, no matter what!!!
Literally wedded
Yes, matrimonially as well!
I at least had a few minutes to enjoy your scenario.
Same 😞
An open convention would at least give democrats a broader scope of people/things to blame if they lose. Not taking responsibility for anything that goes wrong is what they are best at.
I think the Democrats are between a rock and a hard place. It sounds crazy to say, but Biden has been the best president of my lifetime (a millennial). Obviously, his achievements have been overshadowed by his unwavering support for Israel's bombing camping, but his domestic policies, his appointments atop the Dept of Ed and, perhaps most importantly, the FTC, and his withdrawal from Afghanistan are all top tier moves even with their flaws. Honestly, it's a low bar to top, but credit where credit is due.
Despite all that, though, I don't think he would've beat Trump, and he should've said he'd be a one-term president. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
That said, I think Kamala is very likely a worse candidate than Biden, as is probably any of the umber of other corporate Democrats that have a realistic chance of getting the nomination. It's going to be *fun* to watch the Dems nominate someone else in fear of Biden losing to Trump, only to probably still lose anyway.
It's sad that the bar is so low that biden could be considered the best president since FDR.
Every single one of our presidents are war criminals, so I kinda get it, but man does america suck.
I feel for you; we have a long way to go to get to real justice and real freedom for everyone. But corporate and billionaire influence (not just money) sit athwart the whole process of government. The difference between the two parties is that the Dems want to change things, but without offending the donor class; the GOP wants total, no-holds-barred oligarchy. Only our voting stands in the way.
There is NOTHING "the people" avoid quite so much as the truth!
Just remember when Biden took office, you could raise a family and buy a home on one middle class income. It's super nice that Biden managed to mitigate some of the damage he's been doing for the last 50 years, though.
I so wish that for once, the Democratic Party would actually hold a truly open convention. Let the will of the people speak and not the DNC, Obama, Clintons, the rich and powerful donors, who have called the shots to the detriment of it's base. The winner of an open convention will generate excitement and hope, which is what we need in order to beat Trump. Kamala Harris is unpopular, even in California. She will not beat Trump.
Genocider in chief dropping out still leaves a poisonous cesspool of genociders in the Democratic Party and the drive toward nuclear Armageddon intact. Pure fantasy to think a decent candidate can emerge to alter our duopoly destination with omnicide.
Your comment would read better if it wasn’t so hyperbolic.
What you see as "hyperbolic" is merely the truth! Try facing it.
No need to be rude. I meant that your valid points would come across a lot better if you didn’t write like an Old Testament crazy person.
WTH do you see "rudeness in my comment??
Great summary of our 'election process' but it omits any mention of the prime movers and shakers who have more to say than the entire population!!! Lobbies! Foreign lobbies AIPAC, will more influence who is finally the pick than anything "the people" may do. Isn't it strange, that the Brits are suffering from the very same problem of a 'foreign MINORITY' exerting a major influence over their government? Oh, I'm sure that's just more of the universal "antisemitism" at work. Yeah.
KamalaHarris-Julian Castro
Kamala Harris-Sherrod Brown
There is no winning combo with Harris attached
Def makes sense given our hardwired dysfunctional ability to meet real issues head on.
I am sadly confident a next Democratic administration will do a worse job of handling this spiraling general crisis - but not as bad as the alternative - that is clearly not going away, absent a democratic Democratic Party.
3 things I would hope for, to at least delay neofascist supremacy:
1. Candidate that pulls Black turnout; crucial in a tight race. 2. an asymmetrical approach to offset Republican white working class capture. Not clear who best VP pic would be to fit that bill. But pandering to bigotry won’t work. Strength does. 3. Biden should at least shut Gaza down to extent he gets rid of Bibi, frees shipping lanes, and can pitch he avoided regional war.
Harris/whoever could use that.
Differentiating foreign from domestic policy in this moment is as antiquated as mind-body dualism. The two are one if you want to avoid “executive aggrandizement” via peaceful egalitarian democracy.
I will continue to have nightmares of a Trumpian landslide circa 1984
Yes, one of Bidens campaign strategies was that he would save democracy. Handing the nomination to the VP does not seem very democratic to me.
The dems are so terrible at reading the country - or maybe they just don't care, as long as the money is flowing their way - they will anoint Harris just to lose even bigger than they would with Biden.
If only. Biden endorsed Harris, and lousy a politician as she is, she ticks a lot of boxes: the DEIJ stuff, of course, but she’s also been historically a faux progressive who will play nice with corporate donors. On the other hand, she is associated with the administration’s immigration policy…not a great look, whatever you think of its merits or demerits. I’d expect Republicans to note that and use it.
It sound like Biden has thrown his support to VP Harris. Does this mean the delegates pledged to him are now obligated to vote for her? Or, will they be free to vote their brokered choice in an open convention?
No, the delegates can choose freely. But with Biden's endorsement you're now seeing a flood of support for her, including from Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal.
I agree that an open convention will be best. A closed one is bound to look bad. But the delegates have got to avoid rancor. Leave the division over Palestine aside. Concentrate on which aspirant will be most effective against the orange menace and support the kind of domestic agenda Biden was enacting.